Here is the question: Does Vulkan give the Combi-Melta and Combi-Flamer twin linked?
Here is their answer: No. Vulkan only allows you to twin link Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Meltaguns, and Multi-melta's. It doesn't say that you get the Combi-melta twin linked, so therefore, you don't get it twin linked.
Then he goes on to prove that GW are not up to snuff when it comes to the rules, and says: That being said also things like The Multi-Melta on a Dreadnought doesn't get twin linked because the Dreadnought doesn't get Combat Tactics.
Wait, What? I'll now throw down the exact wording for Vulkan Hestan, and let you help me decide...if Dreadnoughts can twin link, and speeders, and Raiders, and well you get the point.
Vulkan He'stan:
Combat Tactics: If you include He'stan than all units in your army lose the Combat Tactics special rule. Instead, all thunder hammers in your army will count as master crafted, and all flamers, heavy flamers, meltaguns, and Multimeltas count as twin linked. If more than one character in your army has the Combat Tactics special rule, you must choose which version will apply.
Now how does that make any sense. I'm also going to include the rules as written for the Combi-weapons, as I don't think that this ruling is correct either.
Combi-weapon:
Combi-weapons are bolters that have been specifically modified by the chapters most skilled artisans Each has been expertly converted to house another weapon, either a meltagun, a plasma gun, or a flamer. This extra weapon carries only a limited charge, allowing the bearer a single shot, perfect for emergencies and shots of opportunity.
A Space Marine armed with a combi-weapon (combi-meltagun, combi-plasma gun, or combi-flamer) can choose to fire either the bolter, or the secondary weapon, each with the profile listed elsewhere in this section. The bolter can be fired every turn, but the secondary weapon can only be fired once per battle (a combi-plasma gun can, of course, Rapid Fire). You cannot fire both weapons in the same turn.
So tell me what you think. I have looked into it, and I feel that the Combi-weapons are explained well enough, but to tell me that the Dreadnought isn't allowed to twin link it's shot because it doesn't have Combat Tactics, well that seems a little bit more than weird...it seems just wrong!
Here's my take on it, discredit as you like for my playing Vulkan.
ReplyDelete"Each has been expertly converted to house another weapon, either a meltagun, a plasma gun, or a flamer."
I understand that to mean there is a second, separate weapon on the bolter. That means you have a flamer or meltagun strapped to your bolter. Vulkan's tactics rule effects the weapon, not the model carrying the weapon.
If it said something units benefiting, the GW employee would be right. But GW employees are almost categorically wrong with rules questions, or at least that's been the word I've heard.
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ReplyDeletejust an observation... but reading the rules as they are written,
ReplyDelete"Chapter Tactics: If you include He'stan than all units in your army lose the Combat Tactics special rule. Instead, all thunder hammers in your army will count as master crafted, and all flamers, heavy flamers, meltaguns, and Multimeltas count as twin linked."
Getting to the point of that...
"... all thunder hammers in your army will count as master crafted, and all flamers, heavy flamers, meltaguns, and Multimeltas count as twin linked."
Notice it doesn't say that units benefiting from Chapter tactics, but rather is says all.
I have to disagree with the rulings here, as Vulkan removes the army's ability to choose to fail moral tests (Combat Tactics), and switches it for buffs to weapons across the whole of the army.
As for the combi-weapons, If it looks like a flamer (or meltagun), if it shoots like a flamer (again or meltagun), then perhaps it's viable to believe it is a flamer (ok seriously or meltagun). I wouldn't argue if a Vulkan player re-rolled it based on the fact it pretty much is one, though I can see the argument to be made.
p.s. I noticed in your description of Chapter Tactics you state that all units loose Chapter Tactics. I do believe this is meant to read as "Combat Tactics". Thought I'd bring it to your attention.
Loki thank you for pointing that out, as I would have never even thought about looking at that. I just have always called it Chapter Tactics, as each chapter seems to have something different that goes along with it.
ReplyDeleteHeretic, I agree with you sir. I do not think that it is something that should be really all that argued, that it is a seperate weapon, and should benifit from the rules of He'stan's Combat Tactics.
P.S. I managed to type that one right without having to go back and correct it! :)
Just like going to a docter and he tells you that your balls need to be surgically removed, I think a second opinion is in order.
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